Interview by Avery Kaplan and Rebecca/Oliver Kaplan.
On Monday, January 23rd, 2023, the award-winning documentary No Straight Lines: The Rise of Queer Comics might be out there for streaming by way of the PBS Video app! Directed by Vivian Kleiman and produced and based mostly on the e-book by Justin Hall (initially revealed by Fantagraphics in 2012), the movie options Alison Bechdel, Jennifer Camper, Howard Cruse, Rupert Kinnard, Mary Wings, and lots of extra queer cartoonists.
The Beat caught up with Hall over e-mail to study extra in regards to the journey from web page to display screen, to ask in regards to the evolution of queer comics, and to learn how individuals have been reacting to this extraordinarily thrilling documentary!
AVERY and REBECCA/OLIVER KAPLAN: What was it like seeing your e-book No Straight Lines function the inspiration for this documentary? What has the journey been like?
JUSTIN HALL: I started the film as I used to be ending up the e-book, really. A buddy Dan Zeitman got here as much as me within the fitness center and stated, “Hey, why don’t you make a documentary film along with the book?” And I used to be like, “OK,” having completely no thought what that entailed or that it could be a decade-long mission! The two of us flailed at it for a few years, however we had no thought what we had been doing and none of our footage was in the end usable within the closing movie. Then my buddy Greg Sirota got here onboard as Dan pulled again, and Greg (who’s an Executive Producer on NSL and a movie skilled) and I spent a few years doing the preliminary interviews and making a trailer.
Greg moved right down to LA and in the end pulled again from the mission himself, and Vivian Kleiman got here on as Director/Producer with me persevering with on as Producer. We labored on the movie for the subsequent six years. Vivian is the actual deal as a filmmaker, offering the imaginative and prescient and the abilities mandatory to finish the film and get it over the end line and out into the world.
Fantagraphics and I are working now on a tenth 12 months anniversary version of the No Straight Lines e-book, with additional materials and a brand new introduction. It’s humorous that it ought to more-or-less coincide with the debut of the movie on PBS! The complete journey has been fairly surreal, to say the least.
KAPLANS: How did the queer group make the most of comics throughout and after the AIDs disaster?
HALL: Cartoonists reacted to the AIDS disaster is a lot of methods. Some cartoonists created well being schooling comics to do direct good; others raised cash by way of comics anthologies like Strip AIDS. Other cartoonists discovered it unimaginable to create work when their lives turned a procession of funerals, or they died themselves from the illness.
Many cartoonists, nonetheless, did what storytellers from persecuted communities within the midst of disaster do finest; they instructed the reality of their experiences with honesty, rage, and even humor as a way to create catharsis for their very own group. Even as the vast majority of American society turned its again on the victims of this horrible illness (keep in mind, Ronald Reagan didn’t even point out the work AIDS till after 10,000 Americans had died of the illness), cartoonists like Jen Camper and Howard Cruse devoted themselves to creating the tragedy seen.
KAPLANS: How did you go about selecting and recruiting the creators featured in No Straight Lines?
HALL: It wasn’t a simple choice by any means. But we had some standards in thoughts. First off, the movie has a tighter focus than the e-book does. The movie is in regards to the pioneers of queer comics, which narrows it to these starting their careers within the Nineteen Seventies and 80s. All of the creators within the movie are my buddies, which isn’t shocking contemplating how small the world of queer comics was within the early levels that the movie paperwork, so it was straightforward to succeed in out to them.
Historical significance was the primary standards, and the entire creators we profiled broke new floor in some essential approach: for instance, Mary Wings created the primary lesbian comedian e-book, Rupert Kinnard created the primary Black queer characters in comics, and Camper put collectively the primary queer comics convention.
We additionally took into consideration inventive advantage {and professional} accomplishments, which meant that Cruse and Alison Bechdel wanted to be included as the 2 greatest names within the subject. Finally, we wanted individuals who had been good on digital camera and had attention-grabbing issues to say, and all of them match the invoice for that.
We additionally had a “Greek chorus” of youthful queer creators who we interviewed within the movie. They commented on the work of the pioneers and offered context. Most of them are former college students of mine or college from the MFA in Comics program at California College of the Arts.
KAPLANS: Do you’ve got any recommendation for individuals who may wish to learn a number of the extra uncommon comics featured in No Straight Lines, just like the ‘zines or the out of print books?
HALL: Queer comics haven’t been properly archived, however it’s lastly beginning to occur. Columbia University has the Cruse papers and Smith College has Bechdel’s papers. There are actually severe educational researchers doing work on this materials, I believe partly impressed by the e-book and now hopefully the movie as properly, like Margaret Galvan on the University of Florida.
Last Gasp was the writer and distributor of a lot of the queer and feminist underground comix actions again within the 70s and 80s, they usually nonetheless have a few of that materials of their shares. And there are punk zine and mini-comics collections that home a number of the extra obscure queercore materials from the 80s and 90s.
KAPLANS: What is the way forward for queer comics? How is the comics business as a complete evolving?
HALL: Our movie focuses on the time that queer comics existed nearly solely in a parallel universe to the remainder of comics, specifically within the insular media world of LGBTQ+ publishers, distributors, newspapers, magazines, bookstores, and so on. Now, that world has largely disappeared as queer materials has been allowed into the mainstream (to a sure extent) and the web has changed conventional retail areas.
Instead of truly discovering and strolling right into a homosexual or feminist bookstore, you may merely Google “queer comics” and give you lengthy lists of books you may order from the consolation and security of your property. And after all there are mountains of queer comics being produced on the net now, producing worldwide readerships.
The mainstream American comics business can also be opening as much as queer characters, storylines, creators, and followers, as properly. You now have people like Mariko Tamaki or Sina Grace (the latter of whom is in our movie) creating impartial work for underground queer publications and massive e-book publishers, whereas on the similar time writing queer characters for Marvel or DC. Queer comics had been fully marginalized and now they’re changing into centered within the comics world at a surprisingly velocity.
Mind you, all of those adjustments in distribution and publication implies that the fabric being produced adjustments as properly. Hothead Paisan: Homicidal Lesbian Terrorist, a beloved dyke punk mini-comic from the 90s that we profile within the movie, is rarely going to cross over into the mainstream! But now we now have very accessible all-ages graphic novels for queer youth. It’s a trade-off.
KAPLANS: Can you communicate to the worth of understanding queer comics historical past, each for cartoonists and cultural historians? Why is it essential, each inside and outdoors of our group?
HALL: That’s an awesome query. Both LGBTQ+ historical past and comics historical past are typically undervalued and forgotten histories, the previous as a result of it belongs to a group that mainstream society would slightly stay invisible and the latter as a result of it belongs to an artwork kind that has not often been taken critically. Queer comics historical past specifically is essential as a result of it tells tales of LGBTQ+ lives and experiences by way of the lens of an uncensored DIY artwork kind made by and for its personal group.
Comics are each narrative and visible, which provides the shape additional significance for cultural historians involved in how generations of queer communities have seen themselves in addition to the world round them. Queer comics usually have an authenticity and urgency to them that needs to be inspiring to all cartoonists.
Until pretty lately, queer identities had been often both erased or labelled as sick and deranged. Mary Wings hadn’t even heard the phrase lesbian till she was 19; she thought she was the one particular person like herself on the planet. She made Come Out Comix in 1973 to assist make sure that no different younger lady needed to undergo that sense of disgrace and confusion. LGBTQ+ individuals needed to make their very own tales to signify themselves in a world that was not prepared to try this for them. Queer comics weren’t simply self-expression within the early days; they had been survival, and to a sure extent nonetheless are. All cartoonists, and all storytellers, can study from this mission.
KAPLANS: What has the response to the film been like to this point?
HALL: Phenomenal! Our movie debuted on the Tribeca Film Festival, probably the most prestigious attainable venues, after which received the Grand Jury Award for Feature Length Documentary at Outfest. It’s been screened in over 100 movie festivals around the globe and now it’ll debut at PBS, which can carry it earlier than an viewers of in all probability 2-3 million viewers. Honestly, this has been a far better response than we ever anticipated!
Everywhere we’ve taken the movie we’ve been met with such heat and pleasure. We’ve completely beloved screening it at universities, comics occasions, libraries, and so on. There’s nothing like seeing people moved and impressed by a mission that you just’ve spent a lot time on. You know then that every one of that blood, sweat, and tears was value it!
Justin Hall is an award-winning cartoonist and educator. He is the creator of the comics True Travel Tales, Hard to Swallow, and Theater of Terror: Revenge of the Queers, and has work in publications such because the Houghton Mifflin Best American Comics, Best Erotic Comics, and the SF Weekly. He created the Lambda-Award-winning and Eisner-nominated assortment No Straight Lines: Four Decades of Queer Comics and was Producer of the feature-length documentary of the identical title. Hall is the Chair of the MFA in Comics program at California College of the Arts, the primary Fulbright Scholar of comics, has written about comics for numerous educational publications, and has curated worldwide exhibitions of comics artwork. He is now at work on a graphic novel that weaves memoir with queer San Francisco historical past for Abrams Books. Visit his web site at justinhallawesomecomics.com to study extra!
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